MG attack vs concealed AFV

[CTABKA]

En till Perry sez = Q&A som bryter mot reglerna, se till att spela enligt reglerna och sunt förnuft. Se länk.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/index.php?threads/ift-attack-on-concealed-bu-afv.184214/page-3#post-2133621

[carlsson]

Har inte läst alla frågor och svar, men om jag fattar det rätt handlar det om det går att skjuta IFT och MG mot en Concealed AFV/Dummy. 

Så som jag har spelat detta:

• Skjuta IFT med halv FP mot en concealed 5/8 bricka = Chans att förlora concealment. Effekt kan med lite tur även uppnås på CE Personnel. 
• Skjuta TH med en MG på samma mål = +2 på TH.

Hur har du spelat detta Mel?

[Sparafucil3]

For what it is worth Melvin, this is a perfect example of a Q&A I happen to disagree with. I do believe an MG firing a TH/TK vs a concealed target is covered with the +2 Case K TH DRM and SHOULD be allowed to affect a concealed AFV. But I don't play it according to my beliefs because the Q&A exists. 

I am not trying to change your mind, this just provided me a chance to point out I don't always agree with the Q&A. 

[carlsson]

I think the Q&A is definitely wrong in this instance. 

[Sparafucil3]

2 hours ago, carlsson said:

I think the Q&A is definitely wrong in this instance. 

I agree, and between friends, I would consider playing without it. But if we showed up to play a tournament, I would expect we would use the Q&A unless it was outlined in the tournament rules. JMO though. 

[Bergwall]

On 6/19/2023 at 9:04 AM, carlsson said:

Har inte läst alla frågor och svar, men om jag fattar det rätt handlar det om det går att skjuta IFT och MG mot en Concealed AFV/Dummy. 

Så som jag har spelat detta:

• Skjuta IFT med halv FP mot en concealed 5/8 bricka = Chans att förlora concealment. Effekt kan med lite tur även uppnås på CE Personnel. 
• Skjuta TH med en MG på samma mål = +2 på TH.

Hur har du spelat detta Mel?

I have played it the same way. And with respect to concealment loss like this:

Regarding the first case

 - If concealed AFV - concealment loss only if effect is achieved on CE personnel. No concealment loss if the target is concealed AFV with no CE personnel.

 - If 5/8 dummies - dummies removed if effect is secured on the IFT (dummies vulnerable as infantry so to speak).

Regarding the second case:

 - If concealed tank - concealment loss if hit is secured.

 - If 5/8 dummies - dummies not removed due to hit is secured (but could maybe be removed due specific collateral attack? not sure however....)

[Sparafucil3]

5 hours ago, Bergwall said:

 - If 5/8 dummies - dummies not removed due to hit is secured (but could maybe be removed due specific collateral attack? not sure however....)

By rule, 5/8" Dummies are removed as if Infantry. I don't think VTT is even a valid Target Type for them. Would be an interesting question for @Klas Malmström. I am not sure how I would handle it if an MG could fire TH/TK against a Dummy stack pretending to be an AFV. That is one of the positive aspects of the Q&A. It side-steps this issue. Doesn't mean I like it though

Edited June 22, 2023 by Sparafucil3

[Bergwall]

What does the QA say?