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Day 14: 30th Oct, Friday - German Assault, Clear, Moist, No Wind at start

Vi blir en crew på 4-5 spelare som kommer i samlad tropp.

Wunderwaffe PaK41 75LL, den uppskalade grövre kaliber version av dess två föregångare AT 28 LL & AT 40LL. Drygt 100 tillverkades med kill förmåga på TK#24 bättre än FlaK 88L eller Tiger I, dessa har ingen HE. Tillverkat ett dussin till mig och andra (använt mig av surplus PaK 40). Bilden visar även de få som delades ut av Rönnblom när det begav sig.

Wunderwaffe PaK41 75LL, den uppskalade grövre kaliber version av dess två föregångare AT 28 LL & AT 40LL. Drygt 100 tillverkades med kill förmåga på TK#24 bättre än FlaK 88L eller Tiger I, dessa har ingen HE. Tillverkat ett dussin till mig och andra (använt mig av surplus PaK 40). Bilden visar även de få som delades ut av Rönnblom när det begav sig.

Mitt Japanska försvar setup i finalen.

Italy, Axis Minors, Soldier of Negus, Raaco Box (11x A75 & 5x A78).

Tysken kan bara kalla in 9 coy de nästföljande 9 dagarna (30 Oct - 7 Nov). 8-11 Nov, kan de sista 4 AE coy tas in. 12-15 Nov bör coy vara slut. Ryssen kan kalla in 22 coy till gentemot tyskens 13 ovan. Vi får se om tysken kan slutföra anfallet, återstår att ta kontroll på en stor fabrik, och 8 multi-hex buildings.

Day 13: 29th Oct, Thursday - German Assault, Clear & Gusty, Wet, No Wind at start German reinforcements [ELR: 3] [SAN: 3]: Sturm Coy (9 CPP), StuG IIIG Pltn (5 CPP), Early Stuka (2 CPP), SAN increase (1 CPP). German Order of Battle: 22 Ldr (one Ldr Crt), 66.5 Sq-Eq (9 Crews, 6 AE, 31 Elite, 25 1st/2nd Line), 42 SWs (HMG, 7 MMG, 14 LMG, 6 ATR, 5 Lt MTR, 9 DC), 5 Guns (3x PaK38, 2x PaK40), 5 AFVs (2x Pz IIIH, 3x StuG IIIG & one Veh crew on-foot). Russian reinforcements [ELR: 3] [SAN: 2]: SMG Coy (4 CPP), Ad-Hoc Coy (0 CPP), Ad-Hoc AFV Pltn (0 CPP), AT Battery (4 CPP), Two Lt Arty 70+mm both with Offb'd Observer. Russian Order of Battle: 25 Ldr, 76 Sq-Eq (14 Crews, 2 AE, 9.5 Elite, 39.5 1st Line, 18 Conscripts), 26 SWs (3 HMG, 2 MMG, 6 LMG, 6 ATR. 5 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 6 Guns (4x AT Guns 45mm, 2x MTR 82mm), 5 AFVs (2x Dug-in T-70, 2x Mobile T-70, 1x OT-34). AFTERMATH (6 Game Turns): Clear weather again, the Russian anticipated reinforcements of an ad-hoc coy and AFV pltn enter the kesselschlacht, a German drive along the Volga shore is counter-attacked by the two Russian T-70 and the flame throwing OT-34, that X its flamethrower on its first shot, but the platoon still breaks some German units that are forced to rout into an FFE blast, the OT-34 than knocks out a Pz IIIH standing along next to the river, then the problems start, three StuG III G AFVs respond to the Russian AFV platoon presence and roll forward, stops and starts to engage the Russian tanks and knocks them out one after another with the help of Stukas that prevent any escape (offb´d). The Russian Lt Arty directed by an offb´d observer, prevents any further progress by the Germans along the shore line. In the central sector the going is slow for the German assault but still grind down the Russian defense and capture one multi-hex stone building. At the sector between the two gullies the Germans in a concentrated effort with the help of a fresh Sturm coy, captures the three row houses, despite strong Russian attempts to hold on to them. German Casualties: 2 Ldr, 9 Sq-Eq, 5 SWs, 3 Guns, 2 AFVs (one Recall). Russian Casualties: 5 Ldr, 22.5 Sq-Eq, 3 SWs, 1 Gun, 4 AFVs. German OB, end of 29th Oct [SAN: 3]: 20 Ldr, 57.5 Sq-Eq (7 Crews, 5 AE, 32 Elite, 17 1st/2nd Line), 37 SWs (HMG, 6 MMG, 14 LMG, 4 ATR, 3 Lt MTR, 9 DC), 2 Guns (2x PaK40), 3 AFVs (1x Pz IIIH, 2x StuG IIIG & two Veh crew on-foot). Russian OB, end of 29th Oct {SAN: 2]: 20 Ldr, 53.5 Sq-Eq (12 Crews, 2 AE, 6.5 Elite, 20.5 1st Line, 18.5 Conscripts), 23 SWs (3 HMG, 2 MMG, 5 LMG, 5 ATR. 4 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 5 Guns (4x AT Guns 45mm, 1x MTR 82mm), 1 AFVs (Dug-in T-70). TOTAL LOSSES during 13 days, 17-29 Oct, (6+8+6+5+0+6+6+0+6+7+8+7+6= 71 Turns) Total German Casualties: 37 Ldr, 172 Sq-Eq, 68 SWs, 13 Guns, 12 AFVs (5 Recalled). Total Russian Casualties: 36 Ldr, 293 Sq-Eq, 65 SWs, 13 Guns, 14 AFVs. German CPP Total: 210 CPP Russian CPP Total: 209 CPP

Day 12: 28th Oct, Wednesday - Dual Attack, Overcast, Moist, No Wind at start German reinforcements [ELR: 4] [SAN: 2]: Rifle Coy (7 CPP), PaK 38 Battery (3 CPP), Pak 40 Battery (4 CPP), Fortifications (20 FPP) Two Trenches & HIP. German Order of Battle: 18 Ldr, 69 Sq-Eq (10 Crews, 7 AE, 23.5 Elite, 33.5 1st/2nd Line), 49 SWs (HMG, 8 MMG, 20 LMG, 6 ATR, 5 Lt MTR, 9 DC), 7 Guns (4x PaK38, 3x PaK40), 4 AFVs (Pz IIIH, one Veh crew on-foot). Russian reinforcements [ELR: 3] [SAN: 3]: Two Rifle Coy (10 CPP), Hvy Arty 150+mm with Pre-Reg Hex and Offb'd Observer, Btln MTR 80+mm with Pre-Reg Hex and Offb'd Observer. Russian Order of Battle: 21 Ldr, 71 Sq-Eq (4 Crews, 2.5 AE, 14.5 Elite, 45.5 1st Line, 6.5 Conscripts), 30 SWs (HMG, 2MMG, 10 LMG, 7 ATR. 6 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 2 AFVs (Dug-In T-70). AFTERMATH (7 Game Turns): Overcast weather continues for the second day. he Ad hoc coy promised by HQ did not enter today (a dr of 2 or less was needed, see LHR 24), instead, two Russian rifle companies were shipped over and charge towards the front line from the ferry camp, to reinforce and replace casualties along the front. - Russian 150+mm artillery is called down on German position in the Bread Factory sector and rubble a hex with German troops and force other Germans that have advanced into the Russian lines, up front, to accept close combat that goes bad for them, since the artillery hindered any sensible retreat. Despite the initial success with the artillery, it is denied Battery Access several times (Black, Red, Red, Red, Black, Black, Red) and its last fire mission strikes friendly troops and eliminates two Russian squads (scatters from pre-reg hex in wrong direction 3 hexes). The perimeter of the area is much the same as from the start, due to the Hvy Arty. Along the rest of the perimeter (factory sector to the Volga sector) both sides slug it out and little gains are made, except along the shoreline where the Russians are pushed back 250m, and the German have started to outflank the Commissar House. In the attack against the Red House, another name for it, two times a German squad becomes berserk and charge towards it, almost as if frustrated by the fanatical defenders that easily pumped lead at them, at point-blank range as they bounced against the walls and denied entry into the fortified building. German Casualties: 0 Ldr, 14.5 Sq-Eq, 12 SWs, 2 Guns, 2 AFVs (one Recall). Russian Casualties: 1 Ldr, 19 Sq-Eq, 10 SWs. German OB, end of 28th Oct [SAN: 2]: 18 Ldr, 54.5 Sq-Eq (9 Crews, 6 AE, 19 Elite, 25 1st/2nd Line), 37 SWs (HMG, 6 MMG, 12 LMG, 6 ATR, 5 Lt MTR, 7 DC), 5 Guns (3x PaK38, 2x PaK40), 2 AFVs (Pz IIIH & one Veh crew on-foot). Russian OB, end of 28th Oct {SAN: 2]: 20 Ldr, 52 Sq-Eq (4 Crews, 2 AE, 7.5 Elite, 26.5 1st Line, 14 Conscripts), 20 SWs (HMG, 4 LMG, 6 ATR. 5 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 2 AFVs (2x Dug-in T-70). TOTAL LOSSES during 12 days, 17-28 Oct, (6+8+6+5+0+6+6+0+6+7+8+7= 65 Turns) Total German Casualties: 35 Ldr, 163 Sq-Eq, 63 SWs, 10 Guns, 10 AFVs (4 Recalled). Total Russian Casualties: 31 Ldr, 270.5 Sq-Eq, 62 SWs, 12 Guns, 10 AFVs. German CPP Total: 193 CPP Russian CPP Total: 193 CPP

Du citerar mig slarvigt, jag skrev: "...alla kommer nog spela att LePaK 41 kan skjuta HE, med fullt stöd av reglerna (och historiska fakta). " Dvs, de som blir påvisad vad reglerna hävdar och alla vi som läst den här tråden kommer nog att spela korrekt.

Det räcker med att en person har kännedom på nästkommande sammankomst/turnering och att TD informeras om vad som gäller både regelmässigt och historiskt, för att alla ska spela enligt reglerna. Ha tålamod, kunskapen om att brickan är felaktig kommer spridas mer och mer som ringar i ankdammen.

Din respons var ingen frågeställning, utan ett påstående, som jag finner lite väl ogenomtänkt,

Rapport skrift från 1943, om en captured German L.PaK 41 och dess två typer av ammo, HE & APCR, http://ww1.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt07/ammunition-pak41.html

Rapport skrift från 1943, om en captured German L.PaK 41 och dess två typer av captured Ammo. Brief mention has already been made in Tactical and Technical Trends (No. 7, p. 3) of the German 4.2-cm Pak 41 (42-mm antitank gun). This is a tapered-bore weapon, being 42 mm at the breech and 28 mm at the muzzle. High explosive and armor-piercing ammunition is provided. Both the HE and AP ammunition (see accompanying sketch) are characterized by a relatively large propellant charge and a flaring skirt or fin at the base of the projectile. The brass-coated steel shell case is 400 mm (15.75 inches) in length. The skirt of the projectile, which is squeezed down as the projectile travels through the tapered bore, serves to give a large effective base area at the commencement of shot travel. A high muzzle velocity is thus possible with a relatively light weapon. However, owing to the relatively light weight of the projectile, the velocity tends to fall off rapidly, and maximum armor-piercing performance is achieved at short ranges only. The thickness of armor penetration is considerable in relation to the weight of the gun; the hole made, is, of course, small. Barrel wear is high; just what the life of the barrel may be is not known. However, in the case of a similar German weapon, the 2.8-cm Pak 41 (antitank gun tapering from 28 mm at the chamber to 20 mm at the muzzle) the life of the barrel is thought to be not over 400 rounds. The muzzle velocity of the 42-mm is not known; that of the 28-mm is thought to be 4,700 feet per second. As indicated in the sketch the HE and AP projectiles are similar in shape. They are sometimes referred to as arrowhead ammunition. The perforations or holes (see sketch) are designed to decrease the mass of the skirt or fin as it is squeezed down into the recess in the projectile casing while traveling through the bore. The explosive filling of the HE projectile is blue in color, which suggests Hexagen (trimethylene trinitramine). The nose percussion fuze of the HE shell is aluminum, with the body in two sections. This fuze is of the bore-safe type; before firing, the single coil spring keeps the two half-collars squeezed against the firing pin which is thereby prevented from being depressed; in flight the centrifugal force created by the rotation of the projectile forces the two half-collars apart, and the firing pin is then free to move toward the cap on impact. The stenciled lettering on the shell case (see sketch) has the following significance: First line ............. light antitank gun 41 Second line ............ weight of propellant in grams Remaining lines ........ data on propelling charge The HE shell case contains 310 grams of propellant and is so stenciled.

Båda är även higher numbered än C2.21 (An underscored caliber size means it cannot fire HE ammunition). Hur tänker du? C4.3 .....The German 28LL and 40LL Guns use the APCR Basic TH# Modification even if firing HE... Germ Multi-Applicable Ordnance Notes (for the lePaK 41) A. Due to the design of its armor piercing projectile, this gun uses the APCR To Kill Table and Range modifiers for its To Kill DR vs AFV, unless using HE. In addition, it always uses the Basic TH# Modification (C4.3) for its To Hit DR--even if it fires HE

Tror du har svårt att bortse från två tydliga regler som motsäger vad du tror.

Det du hävdar är inte sant, chapter H hävdar motsatsen. The lePaK 41 was issued in late 1941 to infantry and parachute troops, seeing action in Tunisia, Sicily, Italy, and Russia.Of all 313 pieces, 25 of them were sent to Waffen-SS, 115 were sent to Luftwaffe (to Fallschirm-Waffe), the remaining 173 sent to Heers and used in eastern front and North Africa.

Behövs ingen officel Errata , alla kommer nog spela att LePaK 41 kan skjuta HE, med fullt stöd av reglerna (och historiska fakta).

Für die lePaK 41 gab es Sprenggranaten und zur Panzerbekämpfung die Panzergranate 41 mit Wolframkern. Mit dem Kern von Kaliber 28 mm

Avalon Hill, skrev regler för följande om båda kanonerna: Counter Errata: The German lePaK 41 - AT Gun 40LL should not be Underscored. C4.3 .....The German 28LL and 40LL Guns use the APCR Basic TH# Modification even if firing HE..... Errata: delete the Underscored line under "40" and also on Page H24, German Ordnance Listing. Germ Multi-Applicable Ordnance Notes (for the lePaK 41) A. Due to the design of its armor piercing projectile, this gun uses the APCR To Kill Table and Range modifiers for its To Kill DR vs AFV, unless using HE. In addition, it always uses the Basic TH# Modification (C4.3) for its To Hit DR--even if it fires HE--and is not subject to APCR Depletion Numbers. Även historiskt producerades tusentals HE granater till båda PaK kanonerna. Har nu funnit både bilder och produktions siffror till båda kanonerna, du finner om du söker, säg till om du inte hittar.

Finner, se foto, att AT Gun 28LL, hade HE granater och tungsten granater, AT 40LL var samma typ av Gun. I manualen för 40LL står det att man kan skjuta HE och Tungstens granater.

Videoklippet på 5 min (57 min till 63 min) framkommer inget som stöder din ståndpunkt, citera gärna vilken mening som jänkare hävdar din ståndpunkt.

Vilken text syftar du på i ch C och H? Jag citerar redan text från ch C och H som hävdar att den kan skjuta HE, samt den historiska manualen. Tror du missförstått reglerna, men du får gärna citera regeltexten från båda kapitelen, tack.

Day 11: 27th October, Thuesday - German Assault, Overcast, Wet, No Wind at start. German reinforcements [ELR: 4] [SAN: 3]: SAN increase (SAN:3), Rifle Coy (7 CPP), Sturm Coy (9 CPP). German Order of Battle: 23 Ldr (one Ldr Crt), 71 Sq-Eq (5 Crews, 9 AE, 28.5 Elite, 31 1st/2nd Line), 50 SWs (HMG, 7 MMG, 21 LMG, 6 ATR, 6 Lt MTR, 9 DC), 2 Guns (PaK38, INF 75mm), 5 AFVs (5x Pz IIIH). Russian reinforcements [ELR: 3] [SAN: 3]: Gds SMG Coy (on-map 9 CPP), Two SMG Coy (Reserve 6 CPP), T-70 pltn (Dug- In, 2 CPP), Fortifications (40 FPP) HIP & ? & Set DC. Russian Order of Battle: 18 Ldr, 74.5 Sq-Eq (7 Crews, 2.5 AE, 19 Elite, 43 1st Line, 6.5 Conscripts), 22 SWs (HMG, 7 LMG, 6 ATR. 4 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 1 Gun (INF 76mm), 3 AFVs (Dug-In T-70). AFTERMATH (8 Game Turns): Overcast for the first time since the German assault into the Red Barrikady started. In the Bread Factory sector (between the gullies in the south. The Germans attacked in mass and suffered early losses due to a Set DC that killed of a Kampfgruppe and a Panzer was knocked out by a hidden Russian Dug-In T-70 that scored a flank hit at close range, but still the German stampede overtook former Russian positions and forced them into a bloody retreat. In the factory halls and along the Volga sectors the Germans slowly and successfully attacked and advanced forward, reclaiming control of area recently lost the previous day to a Russian counter-attack and also captured several new buildings. The Germans have brought in 17 Coy (10 Rifle Coy, 5 Sturm Coy, 2 AE Coy) from the reserve pool (32 Coy in total), 15 more coy (5 coy of each type) can be brought forward to the Kesselschlacht. The Russians have called in 26 Coy (4 Militia Coy, 17 First Line Coy, 4 Gds Coy, 1 AE Coy) from the reserve pool (52 Coy in total), 25 more coy (12 First Line Coy, 10 Gds Coy, 3 AE Coy), and Stavka quarters have promised to form an ad-hoc coy (of staff personnel and hospitalized-recovered-soldiers) and sent it forward to fill in the gaps as soon as possible, since it will take at least another two weeks to have all companies ferried across the Volga. German Casualties: 7 Ldr, 17 Sq-Eq, 6 SWs, 1 Gun, 1 AFV. Russian Casualties: 1 Ldr, 27.5 Sq-Eq, 2 SWs, 1 Gun, 1 AFV. German OB, end of 27th Oct [SAN: 2]: 16 Ldr, 54 Sq-Eq (4 Crews, 7 AE, 23.5 Elite, 21.5 1st/2nd Line), 44 SWs (HMG, 7 MMG, 18 LMG, 5 ATR, 4 Lt MTR, 9 DC), 1 Gun (PaK38), 4 AFVs (4x Pz IIIH & one Veh crew on-foot). Russian OB, end of 27th Oct {SAN: 3]: 17 Ldr, 47 Sq-Eq (4 Crews, 2.5 AE, 14.5 Elite, 21.5 1st Line, 6.5 Conscripts), 20 SWs (HMG, 6 LMG, 5 ATR. 4 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 2 AFVs (2x Dug-in T-70). TOTAL LOSSES during 11 days, 17-27 Oct, (6+8+6+5+0+6+6+0+6+7+8= 58 Turns) Total German Casualties: 35 Ldr, 148.5 Sq-Eq, 51 SWs, 8 Guns, 8 AFVs (3 Recalled). Total Russian Casualties: 30 Ldr, 251.5 Sq-Eq, 52 SWs, 12 Guns, 10 AFVs. German CPP Total: 178 CPP Russian CPP Total: 175 CPP

Stats from RB CG III Kesselschlakt med LHR 11 OBA: 17 Oct, 6 Turns: Germ OBA, 5 chits drawn (3R & 2B LHR applied) 1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used) 2nd Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (3B & 1R LHR not used) https://forum.aslsweden.com/index.php?/topic/5319-bloody-kessel-red-barricades-cg-iii/ 18 Oct, 8 Turns: 1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used) 2nd Russ OBA, 6 chits drawn (5B & 1R LHR not used) ...................................................... 19 Oct, 6 Turns: 1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (3B & 1R LHR not used) 2nd Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (3B & 1R LHR not used) ...................................................... 22 Oct, 6 Turns: Germ OBA 2 Pre-Reg hexes, 6 chits drawn (5B / 1R LHR not used) 1st Russ OBA, Observer discovered and eliminated (1B / 1R) 2nd Russ OBA, Observer discovered and eliminated (Retained) ...................................................... 23 Oct, 6 Turns: 1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used) 2nd Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used) ....................................................... 25 Oct, 6 Turns: German Nebelwerfer 1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used) 2nd Russ OBA, 5 chits drawn (3B & 2R LHR not used) ...................................................... 25 Oct, 7 Turns: Germ OBA, 6 chits drawn (2B & 4R LHR applied) 1st Russ OBA, Pre-Reg hex 7 chits drawn (5B & 2R LHR not used) 2nd Russ OBA, Pre-Reg hex 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used) Two Times have the LHR OBA Draw pile process been used, of 17 OBA modules used (1 of 8, so far). About 100-110 Radio/Phone contact DR have been made by non-Offb'd Observers and that would in average (3x DR of 12) made the LHR kick in 3 more times during the RB CG. In conclusion the LHR use almost the same design as the same original rules, and deal with bad Contact DR of 12 and two Red chits drawn early on, during any type of scenario. Note: one Black Chit drawn, do not always mean, two Fire For EFfect (FFE:1 & FFE:2) blasts upon the enemy, the following can happen. - The Fire Mission (Black chit) is burned by an extra chit drawn that was red, no blast at all or only one blast (FFE:1). - The scenario ends, no blast at all, or only one blast(FFE:1). - The Observer on-board is discovered by reecon fire and not able to correct the FFE/call down the Fire Mission at all. - The FFE blast, targets friendly Forces or both foe & friend. - or something else, in short, one black chit drawn, sometimes does not matter or rain down on friendly troops.