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  1. Rapport skrift från 1943, om en captured German L.PaK 41 och dess två typer av captured Ammo.

    Brief mention has already been made in Tactical and Technical Trends (No. 7, p. 3) of the German 4.2-cm Pak 41 (42-mm antitank gun). This is a tapered-bore weapon, being 42 mm at the breech and 28 mm at the muzzle. High explosive and armor-piercing ammunition is provided. Both the HE and AP ammunition (see accompanying sketch) are characterized by a relatively large propellant charge and a flaring skirt or fin at the base of the projectile. The brass-coated steel shell case is 400 mm (15.75 inches) in length. The skirt of the projectile, which is squeezed down as the projectile travels through the tapered bore, serves to give a large effective base area at the commencement of shot travel. A high muzzle velocity is thus possible with a relatively light weapon. However, owing to the relatively light weight of the projectile, the velocity tends to fall off rapidly, and maximum armor-piercing performance is achieved at short ranges only. The thickness of armor penetration is considerable in relation to the weight of the gun; the hole made, is, of course, small. Barrel wear is high; just what the life of the barrel may be is not known. However, in the case of a similar German weapon, the 2.8-cm Pak 41 (antitank gun tapering from 28 mm at the chamber to 20 mm at the muzzle) the life of the barrel is thought to be not over 400 rounds. The muzzle velocity of the 42-mm is not known; that of the 28-mm is thought to be 4,700 feet per second.

    As indicated in the sketch the HE and AP projectiles are similar in shape. They are sometimes referred to as arrowhead ammunition. The perforations or holes (see sketch) are designed to decrease the mass of the skirt or fin as it is squeezed down into the recess in the projectile casing while traveling through the bore. The explosive filling of the HE projectile is blue in color, which suggests Hexagen (trimethylene trinitramine). The nose percussion fuze of the HE shell is aluminum, with the body in two sections. This fuze is of the bore-safe type; before firing, the single coil spring keeps the two half-collars squeezed against the firing pin which is thereby prevented from being depressed; in flight the centrifugal force created by the rotation of the projectile forces the two half-collars apart, and the firing pin is then free to move toward the cap on impact.

    The stenciled lettering on the shell case (see sketch) has the following significance:

              First line ............. light antitank gun 41
              Second line ............ weight of propellant in grams
              Remaining lines ........ data on propelling charge

    The HE shell case contains 310 grams of propellant and is so stenciled.

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  2. 1 hour ago, Maglica said:

    Nej, jag bortser inte från något.

    Båda är även higher numbered än C2.21 (An underscored caliber size means it cannot fire HE ammunition). Hur tänker du?

    C4.3 .....The German 28LL and 40LL Guns use the APCR Basic TH# Modification even if firing HE...

    Germ Multi-Applicable Ordnance Notes (for the lePaK 41)

    A. Due to the design of its armor piercing projectile, this gun uses the APCR To Kill Table and Range modifiers for its To Kill DR vs AFV, unless using HE. In addition, it always uses the Basic TH# Modification (C4.3) for its To Hit DR--even if it fires HE

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  3. 20 hours ago, Fredrik Thylin said:

    Användes enbart av luftburna

    Det du hävdar är inte sant, chapter H hävdar motsatsen.

    The lePaK 41 was issued in late 1941 to infantry and parachute troops, seeing action in Tunisia, Sicily, Italy, and Russia.
    Of all 313 pieces, 25 of them were sent to Waffen-SS, 115 were sent to Luftwaffe (to Fallschirm-Waffe), the remaining 173 sent to Heers and used in eastern front and North Africa.

  4. 5 hours ago, Fredrik Thylin said:

    Jag antar att Avalon Hill gjorde bedömningen att spränggranater antingen inte tillverkades eller att det fanns så få tillgängliga,

    och satte dit underscore på vapnet i ASL.

    Avalon Hill, skrev regler för följande om båda kanonerna:

    Counter Errata: The German lePaK 41 - AT Gun 40LL should not be Underscored.

    C4.3 .....The German 28LL and 40LL Guns use the APCR Basic TH# Modification even if firing HE..... Errata: delete the Underscored line under "40" and also on Page H24, German Ordnance Listing.

    Germ Multi-Applicable Ordnance Notes (for the lePaK 41)

    A. Due to the design of its armor piercing projectile, this gun uses the APCR To Kill Table and Range modifiers for its To Kill DR vs AFV, unless using HE. In addition, it always uses the Basic TH# Modification (C4.3) for its To Hit DR--even if it fires HE--and is not subject to APCR Depletion Numbers.

    Även historiskt producerades tusentals HE granater till båda PaK kanonerna. Har nu funnit både bilder och produktions siffror till båda kanonerna, du finner om du söker, säg till om du inte hittar.

  5. 3 hours ago, Fredrik Thylin said:

    Jag har tittat på kapitel C och H och det är tydligt att den bara kan skjuta AP

    Jag vet inte om det är historiskt riktigt. Ammunitionen som den använder kallas för Squeeze bore.

    Det gör att projektilen kläms ihop till en mindre kaliber vilket ökar mynningshastigheten, men jag tror inte

    att det går att göra HE ammunition men den tekniken.

     

     

    Vilken text syftar du på i ch C och H?

    Jag citerar redan text från ch C och H som hävdar att den kan skjuta HE, samt den historiska manualen. Tror du missförstått reglerna, men du får gärna citera regeltexten från båda kapitelen, tack.

  6. Day 11: 27th October, Thuesday - German Assault, Overcast, Wet, No Wind at start.

    German reinforcements [ELR: 4] [SAN: 3]: SAN increase (SAN:3), Rifle Coy (7 CPP), Sturm Coy (9 CPP).

    German Order of Battle: 23 Ldr (one Ldr Crt), 71 Sq-Eq (5 Crews, 9 AE, 28.5 Elite, 31 1st/2nd Line), 5SWs (HMG, 7 MMG, 21 LMG, 6 ATR, 6 Lt MTR, 9 DC), 2 Guns (PaK38, INF 75mm), 5 AFVs (5x Pz IIIH).


    Russian reinforcements [ELR: 3] [SAN: 3]: Gds SMG Coy (on-map 9 CPP), Two SMG Coy (Reserve 6 CPP), T-70 pltn (Dug- In, 2 CPP), Fortifications (40 FPP) HIP & ? & Set DC.

    Russian Order of Battle: 18 Ldr, 74.5 Sq-Eq (7 Crews, 2.5 AE, 19 Elite, 43 1st Line, 6.5 Conscripts), 22 SWs (HMG, 7 LMG, 6 ATR. 4 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 1 Gun (INF 76mm), AFVs (Dug-In T-70).

    AFTERMATH (8 Game Turns): Overcast for the first time since the German assault into the Red Barrikady started. In the Bread Factory sector (between the gullies in the south. The Germans attacked in mass and suffered early losses due to a Set DC that killed of a Kampfgruppe and a Panzer was knocked out by a hidden Russian Dug-In T-70 that scored a flank hit at close range, but still the German stampede overtook former Russian positions and forced them into a bloody retreat. In the factory halls and along the Volga sectors the Germans slowly and successfully attacked and advanced forward, reclaiming control of area recently lost the previous day to a Russian counter-attack and also captured several new buildings.

    The Germans have brought in 17 Coy (10 Rifle Coy, 5 Sturm Coy, 2 AE Coy) from the reserve pool (32 Coy in total), 15 more coy (5 coy of each type) can be brought forward to the Kesselschlacht.

    The Russians have called in 26 Coy (4 Militia Coy, 17 First Line Coy, 4 Gds Coy, 1 AE Coy) from the reserve pool (52 Coy in total), 25 more coy (12 First Line Coy, 10 Gds Coy, 3 AE Coy), and Stavka quarters have promised to form an ad-hoc coy (of staff personnel and hospitalized-recovered-soldiers) and sent it forward to fill in the gaps as soon as possible, since it will take at least another two weeks to have all companies ferried across the Volga.

    German Casualties: 7 Ldr, 17 Sq-Eq, 6 SWs, 1 Gun, 1 AFV.
    Russian Casualties: 1 Ldr, 27.5 Sq-Eq, 2 SWs, 1 Gun, 1 AFV.

    German OB, end of 27th Oct [SAN: 2]: 16 Ldr, 54 Sq-Eq (4 Crews, 7 AE, 23.5 Elite, 21.5 1st/2nd Line), 44 SWs (HMG, 7 MMG, 18 LMG, 5 ATR, 4 Lt MTR, 9 DC), 1 Gun (PaK38), 4 AFVs (4x Pz IIIH & one Veh crew on-foot).

    Russian OB, end of 27th Oct {SAN: 3]: 17 Ldr, 47 Sq-Eq (4 Crews, 2.5 AE, 14.5 Elite, 21.5 1st Line, 6.5 Conscripts), 20 SWs (HMG, 6 LMG, 5 ATR. 4 Lt MTR, 3 DC, FT), 2 AFVs (2x Dug-in T-70).

    TOTAL LOSSES during 11 days, 17-27 Oct, (6+8+6+5+0+6+6+0+6+7+8= 58 Turns)

    Total German Casualties: 35 Ldr, 148.5 Sq-Eq, 51 SWs, 8 Guns, 8 AFVs (3 Recalled).
    Total Russian Casualties: 30 Ldr, 251.5 Sq-Eq, 52 SWs, 12 Guns, 10 AFVs.

    German CPP Total: 178 CPP          Russian CPP Total: 175 CPP

     

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  7. Stats from RB CG III Kesselschlakt med LHR 11 OBA:

    17 Oct, 6 Turns:

    Germ OBA, 5 chits drawn (3R & 2B LHR applied)

    1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used)

    2nd Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (3B & 1R LHR not used)

    https://forum.aslsweden.com/index.php?/topic/5319-bloody-kessel-red-barricades-cg-iii/

    18 Oct, 8 Turns:

    1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used)

    2nd Russ OBA, 6 chits drawn (5B & 1R LHR not used)

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    19 Oct, 6 Turns:

    1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (3B & 1R LHR not used)

    2nd Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (3B & 1R LHR not used)

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    22 Oct, 6 Turns:

    Germ OBA 2 Pre-Reg hexes, 6 chits drawn (5B / 1R LHR not used) 

    1st Russ OBA, Observer discovered and eliminated (1B / 1R)

    2nd Russ OBA, Observer discovered and eliminated (Retained)

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    23 Oct, 6 Turns:

    1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used)

    2nd Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used)

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    25 Oct, 6 Turns:

    German Nebelwerfer

    1st Russ OBA, 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used)

    2nd Russ OBA, 5 chits drawn (3B & 2R LHR not used)

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    25 Oct, 7 Turns:

    Germ OBA, 6 chits drawn (2B & 4R LHR applied)

    1st Russ OBA, Pre-Reg hex 7 chits drawn (5B & 2R LHR not used)

    2nd Russ OBA, Pre-Reg hex 4 chits drawn (2B & 2R LHR not used)

     

    Two Times have the LHR OBA Draw pile process been used, of 17 OBA modules used (1 of 8, so far).

    About 100-110 Radio/Phone contact DR have been made by non-Offb'd Observers and that would in average (3x DR of 12) made the LHR kick in 3 more times during the RB CG.

    In conclusion the LHR use almost the same design as the same original rules, and deal with bad Contact DR of 12 and two Red chits drawn early on, during any type of scenario.

    Note: one Black Chit drawn, do not always mean, two Fire For EFfect (FFE:1 & FFE:2) blasts upon the enemy, the following can happen.

    - The Fire Mission (Black chit) is burned by an extra chit drawn that was red, no blast at all or only one blast (FFE:1).

    - The scenario ends, no blast at all, or only one blast(FFE:1).

    - The Observer on-board is discovered by reecon fire and not able to correct the FFE/call down the Fire Mission at all.

    - The FFE blast, targets friendly Forces or both foe & friend.

    - or something else, in short, one black chit drawn, sometimes does not matter or rain down on friendly troops.

  8. Friendly Fire Tournament 2020, 25th-27th September (12 scenarios played). Winner – Svante Sandblom.

     

    Round 1, “J1", URBAN GUERILLAS, German Victory, Mattias Bergwall, Gustav Lidemyr, Russian.

    Round 1, “J1", URBAN GUERILLAS, German Victory, Svante Sandblom, Matts Dagerhäll, Russian.

    Round 1, “SP79", THE MIUS TRAP, German Victory, Christoffer Peyre, Anders Olsson, Russian.

    Round 1, “FrF99", BOY SOLDIERS, Russian Victory, Martin Yngerskog, Christian Lindberg, German.

     

    Round 2, “G1", TIMOSHENKO'S ATTACK, German Victory, Svante Sandblom, Martin Yngerskog, Russian.

    Round 2, “FrF56", SALUTING A GENERAL, German Victory, Gustav Lidemyr, Christian Lindberg, Russian.

    Round 2, “FrF56", SALUTING A GENERAL, Russian Victory, Mattias Bergwall, Christoffer Peyre, German.

    Round 2, “FrF64", NO TIME TO BLEED, German Victory, Matts Dagerhäll, Anders Olsson, Russian.

     

    Round 3, “BoF4", ABOUT HIS SHADOWY SIDES, German Victory, Svante Sandblom, Mattias Bergwall, Russian.

    Round 3, “BoF4", ABOUT HIS SHADOWY SIDES, German Victory, Christoffer Peyre, Martin Yngerskog, Russian.

    Round 3, “BoF5", ADOLF'S AMATEURS, Russian Victory, Matts Dagerhäll, Gustav Lidemyr, German.

    Round 3, “BoF5", ADOLF'S AMATEURS, German Victory, Christian Lindberg, Anders Olsson, Russian

  9. G1 TIMOSHENKO`S ATTACK

    Updated version of Scenario G1

    - New: Victory Conditions: The Russians win immediately upon exiting > 13 VP off the north edge of any one mapboard [EXC: prisoners do not count].

    - New text on the Turn Record Chart: The Germans set up first___The Russians moves first

    - New German set up text: set up concealed on hexrows Q-FF (see SSR 3): {SAN: 0}

    - Delete the following from the German OB: Two LMG and one MMG.

    - New Russian set up text: The Russian groups are allocated by the Russian player with one group per board and set up concealed on hexrow B and AFVs in Motion (see SSR 6): {SAN: 0}

    - Replace the following Leaders in the Russian OB: Group 1: Replace the 8-1 Leader with a 10-0 Commissar.  Group 3: Replace the 8-0 Leader with a 9-0 Commissar.

    - Replace the SPECIAL RULE section (11 SSR) with the following:

    SPECIAL RULE:

    1. EC are Moderate, with no wind at start. On board 22 the two Multi-Story Buildings (A23.23) are treated as single-story buildings and hex CC7 contains no building depiction, the two hexsides CC6-CC7, BB6-CC7 can be bypassed [EXC: not by a Vehicle]. Kindling is NA.

    2. Although all three boards are placed side by side, they represent three separate attack lanes. Play is simultaneous on all three boards, but no fire, movement or LOS is allowed between them, leave a slight space between the mapboards.

    3. The German OB is secretly divided into four groups, after any deployment (A2.9). Three groups must set up on the mapboards (one group to each board). The fourth group must contain at least 6 squad-equivalents, 3 Leaders and 3 SWs. The fourth group is the reserve and portions, or all of it may be called into play as reinforcements on any board(s) after a one-turn delay (i.e., if called upon in the German RPh of Turn 1, they would arrive during the German Turn 2).

    4. German reinforcements are called upon at the end of a German RPh and declare on which mapboard each force intend to enter the next turn along the north edge, place each called upon force concealed in one stack and adjacent to its board, but the force do its set up offboard next RPh when it may enter. Reinforcement groups may be as few or as many as desired, and comprise any portion of the remaining reserve. But, for each board and each turn that reinforcements enter, there must be at least one leader with the group.

    5. The German radio represents a module of 105+mm artillery. The Kfz 1 vehicle is removed from play if it has neither Passengers nor a Gun in Tow.

    6. The Russian radio represent a module of 80+mm Btln MTR. No Russian Leader can be exchanged for a Commissar.

    7. When attempting Battery Access for an OBA Module and no more than one black and/or red chit(s) have been permanently removed from the Draw Pile and the second permanently-removed red chit is drawn, return it to the Draw Pile instead, and that ends the Observer’s OBA actions for that Player Turn (i.e., the second red chit can only be removed from the Draw Pile if at least two black chits have been permanently removed from the Draw Pile for that OBA Module). An Original Contact/Maintenance DR of 12 does not cause the breakdown of a Radio, although an Original DR of 12 does cause the loss of Radio Contact.

  10. Day 10: 26th October, Monday - German Assault, Clear, Moderate, No Wind at start.

    German reinforcements [ELR: 4] [SAN: 3]: Rifle Coy (7 CPP). Two Pz IIIH pltn (6 CPP), Btln MTR 80+mm with Offb´d Observer (3 CPP), Early STUKA (2 CPP).

    German Order of Battle:  25 Ldr (one Ldr Crt), 79.5 Sq-Eq (9 Crews, 13 AE, 23.5 Elite, 38.5 1st/2nd Line), 51 SWs (2 HMG, 8 MMG, 20 LMG, 6 ATR, 5 Lt MTR, 8 DC, 2 FT), 6 Guns (PaK38, 2x GrW 34, 3x INF 75mm), 6 AFVs (6x Pz IIIH).


    Russian reinforcements [ELR: 3] [SAN: 3]: Rifle Coy & Gds SMG Coy (Reserve 10 CPP), Btln MTR 80+mm, Pre-Reg Hex, with Offb´d Observer (2 CPP), Med Arty 120+mm Pre-Reg Hex, with Offb´d Observer (4 CPP), SAN increase (1 CPP), Fortifications (40 FPP) HIP & ? & Set DC.

    Russian Order of Battle: 21 Ldr, 88.5 Sq-Eq (16 Crews, 7 AE, 17 Elite, 48.5 1st Line, 8 Conscripts), 33 SWs (2 HMG, 1 MMG, 10 LMG, 7 ATR, 6 Lt MTR, 5 DC, 2 FT), 5 Guns (2x ART 76L, 3x INF 76mm, MTR 82mm).

    AFTERMATH (7 Game Turns): A Bloodbath occurred in an inferno of blazing buildings. Stuka bombers struck Russian Assault Engineers in a roofless factory and killed 35 elite soldiers at the opening stages of the battle and destroyed their 3 LMG and their Leader in the two direct hits conducted by two Stukas. A Russian Btln MTR directed by an Offb´d Observer bombed the German troops in the factory complex (6B/2R, Black, Red, Black, Red). Three buildings were Rubbled along the front by Russian Set DCs and a half Coy of German soldiers perished, and simultaneously a German placed DC, rubbled a hex with 30 soldiers led by a Commissar. There were no stops to the casualties taken place and corpses piled up, along the street, ditches, and indoors, and mild breeze started a smoke screen and luckily for the Russians blinded the German all out assault against the last big factory in Russian Control, they tried to attack regardless of the smoke, but the Russian SMG squads repulsed German assault troops entering the factory in bloody hand-to-hand combat and point-blank fire stopped any further attempts.

    At the Bread factory area the German attack went better and managed to break the Russian defense line with the help of two panzer platoons, the Russian were forced into a rout and conducted a slow bloody fighting withdrawal with the German companies in pursuit, backed up by their panzer, blasting the Russian positions into submission and also supported by a German Btln MTR directed by an Offb´d Observer (8B/3R, Red, Red, Black, Red, Black, Red).

    In the Volga sector the Germans planned no attack and only tried to hold their gains, but a Russian medium artillery 120+mm started to blast Germans positions with pre-registered fire (6B/2R pulled Black, Black, Black, Black, Black, Red, Red), and conducted first a probing attack vs German positions under the effective artillery that never ceased to pound the Germans to death and in the middle of the battle an all out assault were conducted and German immediately sent reinforcements from the central factory sector and the Stuka started to get very active in the area as many Russian troops soldiers were seen crossing relative open ground despite losses inflicted by the Stuka planes that to a great extent managed to save many German soldiers from being annihilated and also halted the Russian forces from reaching any of the big factory halls.

    German Casualties: 8 Ldr, 32.5 Sq-Eq, 11 SWs, 4 Guns, 1 AFV (Recalled).
    Russian Casualties: 8 Ldr, 41
    Sq-Eq, 12 SWs, 4 Guns.

    German OB, end of 26th Oct [SAN: 2]: 17 Ldr, 47 Sq-Eq (5 Crews, 9 AE, 16.5 Elite, 19 1st/2nd Line), 40 SWs (HMG, 5 MMG, 17 LMG, 5 ATR, 5 Lt MTR, 7 DC), 2 Guns (PaK38, INF 75mm), 5 AFVs (5x Pz IIIH).

    Russian OB, end of 26th Oct {SAN: 3]: 13 Ldr, 47.5 Sq-Eq (7 Crews, 2.5 AE, 10 Elite, 25 1st Line, 6.5 Conscripts), 21 SWs (HMG, 7 LMG, 6 ATR. 4 Lt MTR, 2 DC, FT), 1 Gun (INF 76mm).

    TOTAL LOSSES during 10 days, 17-26 Oct, (6+8+6+5+0+6+6+0+6+7= 50 Turns)

    Total German Casualties: 28 Ldr, 131.5 Sq-Eq, 45 SWs, 7 Guns, 7 AFVs (3 Recalled).
    Total Russian Casualties: 29 Ldr, 224 Sq-Eq, 50 SWs, 11 Guns, 9 AFVs.

    German CPP Total: 161 CPP          Russian CPP Total: 157 CPP

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  11. On 8/10/2022 at 6:43 PM, Sparafucil3 said:

    @CTABKA Do you have a link where your Leaflet House Rules are available outside of this forum? I don't want to flood the forum with people coming to look for the rules. If you do not have a link, do you mind if I post a copy of the most current on my blog? I am writing an article on OBA systems and I will be speaking about yours and I want to direct people to the rules if they would like to try them. I don't think it would be fair to expect them to sign up here, nor would it be fair to the forum members here to have to wade through a bunch of new people. Please let me know. Thanks! -- jim

     

    No, I only have the LHR posted on ASL Sweden (filarkivet).

    You can post all LHR or part of it, the word Leaflet is supposed to be spread around and perhaps used by some in anyway they like.

  12. 9 hours ago, Maglica said:

    Hmmm ... "underscore" betyder väl att kanonen inte kan skjuta HE och inget annat. Sedan kan man förstås ha en historisk diskussion huruvida denna specifika kanon kunde skjuta HE eller inte.

    Du har nog missförstått tråden, det framgår tydligt i kapitel C och H att kanonen kan skjuta HE.

  13. The article could also include the STAVKA ARCHIVES OBA variants for the East Front (used for 20 Player Turns scenarios).

    STAVKA ARCHIVES OBA:

    German OBA ends first when 3 Red chits have been drawn for a German OBA Module. Different possible OBA Draw Piles: 8-10B / 3-4R

    Russian OBA end first when 3 Red chits have been drawn for a Russian OBA Module. Different OBA Draw Piles: 5-7B / 2-3R, when the 2nd red chit is drawn, return it to the draw pile (even for Scarce Ammo), so it is possible to draw a 3rd red chit that would end the OBA Module.

     

  14. I can change it , only Swedes and a Finn involved in the English text, if you think it would be more clear, I believe you and will update the documents.

    The documents for Operation Veritable, Red Barricades and Red October have been updated almost along the lines you suggested.

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